I wouldn't have "progressed" this far (sorry about the Jdubism) without JWN's support and insight- I hope to pay it forward
Great thread...I feel the love
CHG
on internet forums such as these, it is to be expected that there will be people who want to save jw's.
esp from (thinking for) themselves.. however, the real dillema's facing an ex jw who leaves, whether on their own terms or being disfellowshipped are real and haven't changed.. .
lonliness, how to make friends, is a big issue.. fear, esp fear based on superstition, a fear of god and of the future that is not in any way based in proveable fact.. education, how to think and reason critically to avoid being taken advantage of is a big challenge.. love, sex, and how to navigate your way around all of that hot mess.. geez, yeah, forgot.
I wouldn't have "progressed" this far (sorry about the Jdubism) without JWN's support and insight- I hope to pay it forward
Great thread...I feel the love
CHG
well since there is no "betting" (as it reeks of gambling) in jdub land, lets place a friendly wager on what will happen to me when i go to my father's "memorial" service at the kingdome hall this saturday..... to give you newbies background info: i am neither df'd or da'd- i left 2 years ago with no explanation.
i have been hounded by elders in my cong because they have suspicions that i am living with a man, but they have no proof (well, no proof in jdub land- you know...two witness rule).
after many attempts to get me to meet with them- i finally sent the elders a "cease & desist" letter after one of them spied in my miniblinds to see me eating breakfast with someone (they couldn't identify who).
A Guest- ah yes...I tried to ask my parents about funeral planning and they didn't want to do it...always hard thing to ask- Mom did keep her promise to bury him in a casket and not cremate him, but she figured I'm sure that since he is "asleep in death" it doesn't matter to him if he has a JW funeral instead of just a graveside service
I will get my arrangemnts in writing...I just purchased a burial plot next to my parents, thats a start...
CHG
well since there is no "betting" (as it reeks of gambling) in jdub land, lets place a friendly wager on what will happen to me when i go to my father's "memorial" service at the kingdome hall this saturday..... to give you newbies background info: i am neither df'd or da'd- i left 2 years ago with no explanation.
i have been hounded by elders in my cong because they have suspicions that i am living with a man, but they have no proof (well, no proof in jdub land- you know...two witness rule).
after many attempts to get me to meet with them- i finally sent the elders a "cease & desist" letter after one of them spied in my miniblinds to see me eating breakfast with someone (they couldn't identify who).
Thanks for your kind words everyone! I will pass them along to my brother-
NVR2L8- I hear ya....when you know your going into a situation where you face either fake niceness or an inquisition- hidden agenda's make by ass twitch- hope you can find a way out of that one-
Jamie- I hopefully will be able to escape with my brother and we can go catch a bite together in peace
Flipper- always keeping me on the task of a successful fade :) thanks so much
Scott77- you do bring up a good point & I will be sure to watch my back- thanks
wish me luck tomo!!!
startfragment.
so many of my non-witness relatives were, and are, good people.
i had to do something to deal with the likelihood of their being destroyed.. those i was close to in the faith, and i, had the hope that, sometime before the end, some issue would arise that would wake up our relatives and other loved ones to the realization that they had to come into the fold.
As a child I would pray with my mom everynight and ask Jeh to help my dad and brother come back to the "truth"- when I would ask mom what I would do if Armageddon came and dad and my bro didn't make it...how would I get through that??
My mom told me that Jehovah would take care of my feelings of grief- she made it sound like Jeh would shut my mind off to the grief like He shut the mouths of the lions for Daniel...that I would feel nothing at all
that always made me feel hollow....
CHG
well since there is no "betting" (as it reeks of gambling) in jdub land, lets place a friendly wager on what will happen to me when i go to my father's "memorial" service at the kingdome hall this saturday..... to give you newbies background info: i am neither df'd or da'd- i left 2 years ago with no explanation.
i have been hounded by elders in my cong because they have suspicions that i am living with a man, but they have no proof (well, no proof in jdub land- you know...two witness rule).
after many attempts to get me to meet with them- i finally sent the elders a "cease & desist" letter after one of them spied in my miniblinds to see me eating breakfast with someone (they couldn't identify who).
Thanks everyone for helping me to gurd my loins for Saturday- I will remember that this service is not for me...it is for them
I decided that I will make a plaque with the poem on it that the JWs rejected & stick it in the ground next to his headstone...who's gonna be offended then?? JW's dont visit graves....and I'm sure that the other occupants of the cemetary wont mind
CHG
woke up to 89 degrees and humid at 7am in MI....ick
I still want mint chocolate chip ice cream though...and a nice cold after work tonite
CHG
i'm smiling as i write this.
i've just read my post three years ago, titled "i left.
" i wrote that two days after i had packed up my house and flown 2000 miles away to sydney with my little boy.
Thanks for your story of real hope
helps us all exjw's who are still struggling a bit a times
CHG
just to brief you all who dont know me since im still fairly new, i am darren, i am 24 years old, and i studied with the jws for about a year before i came to my senses.. here is a little "experience" i had a short while ago, 2 or 3 weeks back i thought i would share it all with you.. i just arrvied in new zealand a couple of months ago now, after being in england for so long, i decided to move back here and see my parents.. i was getting over the whole "indoctrination" process and things were looking good!
aside from the time i spent with jws, i only ever spoke to them once, i was about 12 and they dropped a magazine off at my parents house from which i thanked them since my parents were not home, closed the door, casually threw the magazine in the bin and carried on doing whatever i was doing.. after all these years of not seeing them or knowing anythign about them etc, i did my study in the uk and left that and i am now here.. so i had much more of understanding about jws etc.. my parents and i decided to drive to rotorua from new plymouth for a family drive and quality bonding time :) on the way there, about half way through, we decided to stop on a lay by and there was like a patch of grass no longer than a strip of about 15 metres with 2 benches.. we had a little mini(ish) picnic there and coffee before continuing our road trip.. i forgot to mention that as we pulled up to stop there, there was a car at the first bench and a group inside and a few people outside.. i didnt think abything of it, i actually thought they must have been some family doing what we were doing, a road trip, since there were not even any houses near by, it was all lovely views of mountains/hillsides etc.. anyway, we sit down at this bench about 5 or 6 metres away from them, and one raises there voice and says "hi there!
" so my dad responds hey!.
Great Job! Honestly, since having been in the girl's position in the past...trust me, she was grateful that you dismissed her. She could go back to her group and say that she tried to give a good witness, and they will give her nods of approval and she can go on with the rest of her day and enjoy coffee on the hillside.
CHG
well since there is no "betting" (as it reeks of gambling) in jdub land, lets place a friendly wager on what will happen to me when i go to my father's "memorial" service at the kingdome hall this saturday..... to give you newbies background info: i am neither df'd or da'd- i left 2 years ago with no explanation.
i have been hounded by elders in my cong because they have suspicions that i am living with a man, but they have no proof (well, no proof in jdub land- you know...two witness rule).
after many attempts to get me to meet with them- i finally sent the elders a "cease & desist" letter after one of them spied in my miniblinds to see me eating breakfast with someone (they couldn't identify who).
Why go Hortensia asks??? good question , my spidey sense tells me to run like hell- but my brother is going and I guess I am going for him, and going to be a support for my mom (although she probably feels she gets better comfort from her "friends" in the hall...)
CHG
well since there is no "betting" (as it reeks of gambling) in jdub land, lets place a friendly wager on what will happen to me when i go to my father's "memorial" service at the kingdome hall this saturday..... to give you newbies background info: i am neither df'd or da'd- i left 2 years ago with no explanation.
i have been hounded by elders in my cong because they have suspicions that i am living with a man, but they have no proof (well, no proof in jdub land- you know...two witness rule).
after many attempts to get me to meet with them- i finally sent the elders a "cease & desist" letter after one of them spied in my miniblinds to see me eating breakfast with someone (they couldn't identify who).
Thanks all for weighing in....and thanks for the advise, I do plan on having a "broken record" responce for most Jdub comments- and I liked nuggets suggestion for what to say to elders- I will remember that.
My father did not have any nonjw friends still living, but my brother's best friend is comming for both of us (a human shield as it were...)
I have already had turmoil which has put me on edge...my fam asked me to put together the memorial handout pamplets (you know...a little hand held pamphlet which has a picture of deceased one on it and tells a bit about them & jdubs always want a scripture on it with a kingdom melody so everyone can sing along)
Well I put together a really nice one with their jdub requests...but on the back I put a poem from one of dad's favorite books he read as a young person- I had 200 printed up, now mom and my brother-in-law(COBOE) asked to have it removed because the poem said the word "whiskey" in it & that may offend the "friends"
I called and told them where I had them printed and told them to have it removed themselves, I am out-
My bad for forgetting who the memorial service was for....I should have never gotten involved
Thanks for your support everyone
I will let you know who wins the bet of course
CHG